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FAQ: Dimensions & Single Server technology - Understanding and using them

One Game, One World, One Server: players of the World, unite!

This FAQ briefly explains what the TSW “Single Server” technology is, what its benefits are and how to use it from a player's perspective.


Developed explanations and philosophy on the TSW Single server technology, directly from Martin Bruusgaard, TSW Lead Designer, can be found here:
http://www.thesecretworld.com/news/b...e_secret_world


Does “Single Server technology” mean that all players can play together regardless of their location in the World?
Exactly. It's doesn't matter if you're from America, Europe, Asia, Africa, Oceania or what your country is: all TSW players are able to chat, meet, interact and play together.

You are no more isolated from your friends from another country or continent.

You don't have to open an account or create characters on different servers to play with your friends.

But when I create a character I’m asked to choose a “Dimension” between several other dimensions... Will I be separated from players who are on other dimensions? Is a dimension like a server in other online games?
A TSW dimension is not a server where players are isolated from other servers. There is only one server for TSW and dimensions don't isolate players. Here is how it works...

Inside the Single Server, the whole world of TSW is duplicated on several “dimensions”.

Each dimension is a “clone” of the TSW world. And players are able to move freely, and in quite a transparent manner, from dimension to dimension, from clone to clone, as they need. They will have the feeling to just travel in the same world.

Also, you can chat with someone (names are unique in all TSW) on another dimension as you would chat with someone on your dimension. It's the same command. Inside Agartha, the transport network (see FAQ: TSW Transportation, Run speed & speed upgrades, traveling, climbing, general chat is cross-dimension.

The dimension you are asked to choose is only your “Home dimension”: it's the dimension in which you will arrive immediately when you log on and to which you'll return automatically and in a transparent manner when you don't need to be elsewhere.

The players have the choice of “Home dimensions” to allow better technical performance and also to specialize a bit some dimensions, for example to allow people using the same language to be immediately together a soon as they log on, or people with the same interests, for example role-playing, to be also by default with each other... if they want to.

But you are never stuck in a dimension.

So how can I team with people on another dimension or do a raid with them?
By just clicking a button: near the name of your friends on your friends list, or near the name of teammates in the team list, you have a button called “Meet up”. Click it and you'll be automatically teleported to the dimension where the selected person is. It's almost as simple as zoning from a zone to another.

As long as you are teamed, you will all travel and zone inside the same dimension.

If you zone to a zone where your team is, you'll land automatically on the good dimension.

And what happened when I leave a team in a dimension? Am I immediately kicked out of that dimension?
No, you will be returned to your Home dimension in a soft and transparent manner: the next time you zone, you will actually be sent to your destination but on your Home dimension and no more on the one you were visiting.

What happens if I'm disconnected while I am in a group in another dimension?
You should be returned to the dimension where the group is, if the group still exists. (If you stay disconnected for a very long time, you may leave the group automatically though.)

Can I send in-game mail and items to someone on another dimension?
Yes, the in-game mail system is cross-dimensions so you can send or receive messages or items to and from someone on another dimension.

Is the players market system limited to each dimension or can I make business with people from all dimensions?
The market system is also cross-dimensions, so when you put an item for sale, it will be seen by all TSW players. You have nothing special to do to make it visible in all TSW.

This should allow a strong and healthy economy.

Note that you can't restrict your sales or shopping to a specific dimension, and there is no reason to want to.

Can a cabal (guild) have members from several dimensions? Is there any drawback for a member who wouldn't be on the dimension where the cabal was created or where the cabal has most members?
A cabal can have members from any dimension. All members will have access to cabal chat channel; all will have the same features available and all will share the same cabal bank.

A cabal person able to invite new members can also directly invite people who are not in the same dimension without traveling to them.

Can TSW teleport me from a dimension to another without my agreement?
No, you will not be teleported unless you actively decide you want to go to another dimension. You will be automatically returned to your Home dimension as described above in this FAQ but only if you decide to zone.

Can someone have the same name as me on another dimension?
No, your name is unique in TSW.

Can a cabal have the same name as my cabal in another dimension?
No, like players' names, cabals' names are unique for all TSW.


Is the language of the game affected by the dimension I’m in?
No, your client will always use the language you have chosen.


Is PvP possible between people from all dimensions?
There are 3 forms of PvP in TSW: Fight Club (free for all PvP for relatively private fights), Battlefields (opened rounds by rounds), and Warzones (persistent, always up).

Fight Club and Battlefields: you can join them with friends (or enemies) from any dimension.

Warzones: this is almost the only restriction in the Single server technology: you can only use the warzones of your own Home dimension.

Martin Bruusgaard, TSW Lead Designer explained the reasons for this choice:
“First of all, in order to ensure that players have a good time and aren't locked down by lag, we have a player cap in these zones. The cap is currently set to 225, reserving 75 slots for each secret society. If we only had one warzone for all the dimensions, very few would be able to enjoy this form of PvP. Keep in mind that this is not an instanced mini-game, but a persistent area. There is only one of these per dimension.

Secondly, we want to create a really good PvP community in each dimension, and we believe the meta-game around PvP is more interesting if you get to know the other players around you. We're hoping that you will learn who you can trust, which cabals that always backstabs, who you can ask for help, which cabals are known for being fantastic in PvP, etc. “
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Last edited by Morteia; 07-11-2012 at 05:24 PM. Reason: wrong server bug has been fixed :)
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Chrisax

Additional note:

We are starting to get many people from other dimensions, and something came up that I didn't see before:

It seems that for inviting people from another dimension, r-clicking their names doesn't offer the invite option. (? Need more testing.)

You have to do /cabal invite nameoftheperson
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LoneRath

I started all of my characters on Arcadia, but two have ended up and are listed Cerberus on the login screen. No matter what I do I end up in Cerberus. How can I change this?

As far as the game is concerned, I live in Cerberus...

I did talk to a GM and he mentioned that I needed to send in an email to get a switch, but that seems to be the wrong way for something that should be easy and seamless.

Jazzlvraz

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Originally Posted by LoneRath View Post
I started all of my characters on Arcadia, but two have ended up and are listed Cerberus on the login screen. No matter what I do I end up in Cerberus. How can I change this?

As far as the game is concerned, I live in Cerberus...

I did talk to a GM and he mentioned that I needed to send in an email to get a switch, but that seems to be the wrong way for something that should be easy and seamless.
The GM is correct; there's an odd implementation of your dimension choice where, if you double-click on your first empty character slot, you'll be created on the first dimension: Cerberus. It's not obvious how careful you need to be to end up on Arcadia, if that's what you intend.

I can't find the "Common Issues" thread that existed on the old boards, so the best I can say at the moment is to use the Live Chat function on your Account page to talk to someone about moving you where you intended to be.

LoneRath

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Originally Posted by Jazzlvraz View Post
The GM is correct; there's an odd implementation of your dimension choice where, if you double-click on your first empty character slot, you'll be created on the first dimension: Cerberus. It's not obvious how careful you need to be to end up on Arcadia, if that's what you intend.
Except I was very careful when I created all of my characters and made sure they were all created on the RP server as that was where I wanted to be. I was linked up fine until I entered a PvP match and suddenly my characters were moved to Cerberus permanently. All three started out on Arcadia.

I want to be on the RP dimension as my home. I picked it for a reason and I don't want to ask for an invite back home every time I want to RP...

Chrisax

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(...)I want to be on the RP dimension as my home. I picked it for a reason and I don't want to ask for an invite back home every time I want to RP...
I'm afraid that, as explained by Jazzlvraz, you have to contact support (preferably by email or with the support chat function in your account pages) and explain your situation. There is nothing you can do yourself.

I'll add the double click content in the FAQ. I didn't think of it. Thanks for the reminder, Jazzlvraz.
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Memno

Excellent explanation for those that don't want to go digging around for the article. I was under the impression chat is only truly cross dimension when in argatha/cities.

While in other zones it's only local to that dimension, least it feels that way as chat is fairly quiet on Grim in the Egypt+ zones.
Last edited by Memno; 07-08-2012 at 11:56 AM. Reason: Bad english it bad.

Necroscope84

Nice thread. I'd played AO a long time ago but couldn't quite remember how this all worked and/or how it worked in TSW. Thank you.

jessicat

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Is the part about servers still true/relevant? There seems to be a lot of confusing misinformation in the form of conflicting views in game when asking around, and a lot of people seem to use the terms dimensions/servers interchangeably and it just muddies the water further.

Here's what my current working theory is, to help people understand better. Is this right as others understand it?

Each "dimension" is equivalent to a server in a traditional MMO as far as being the world that your character is based on, for example, hitting F9 while on Arcadia will always show that you are in Dim: 3.

When you log in, you are by default in your homeworld - everyone you see and can chat to without a star by their name in general chat, etc, is currently on the same homeworld/dimension as you.

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Also, you can chat with someone on another dimension as you would chat with someone on your dimension. "General" chat is cross-servers.
Thus depending on your intended definition of servers here, this seems to be quite wrong, and seems to lead to the bleeding together of truth and misconception like in the article on ZAM that says,

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Originally Posted by Zam
http://www.zam.com/story.html?story=30039
I chose Cerberus for my server, but once I arrived at the sleepy little zombie-infested town of Kingsmouth, I realized that I was playing with a variety of players from other servers. It seems that TSW's PvP crowd is restricted to your server (to promote consistent rivalries and alliances), but the PvE portion of the game simply lumps you into a general chat while spreading you across dozens of different dimensional shards.
Which is wrong, because the General/Help/LFG chat for a character on Arcadia, in (say) Kingsmouth or Savage Coast, is restricted to only other people in Arcadia, currently in that zone with you. They may however be in Arcadia: Kingsmouth 2 or Arcadia: Kingsmouth 3, whereas you are in Arcadia: Kingsmouth 1.

The main exception of course being Agartha, where the chat is cross-dimension. Or if you join a group led by someone from another dimension (world), in which case you will teleport to their dimension and everyone will have a star by their name when you're seeing them chat, and they will see a star by yours when you chat.

Each zone in each dimension contains several instances/servers/shards, based on the number of players in that dimension currently in that zone; this is what people are currently looking for when they are looking to hop instances within say Kingsmouth or Savage Coast to find a working instance of The Black House/Something Wicked/Jack's Back/It Takes Two To Tango/Life Imitating Art/Taking the Purple/whatever other quest is broken that day.

The reason I am asking/posting is twofold:
1) There's still a lot of people asking on General for an "invite to another dimension" - while some may be just using the wrong terminology but using the correct term, others specifically ask for "Anyone not on Arcadia pls invite", which will likely never work because the only people from other servers that can see you typing are guests on the server, in a group belonging to someone on your server at the moment.
2) Others are halfway there and ask for "Anyone not on Dim 3 please invite" - which is kind of the same thing (I think), they halfway get the concept but are looking at what I believe is the wrong number in F9/Shift F9.

So more people need to spread the right info (in game etc) of what a server/dimension/instance/shard/etc is, if there are even consistent definitions for them.

The other and more important question is, how do you distinguish between the instances/shards on the dimension that you are in? How do you know which one you are in and that you should be comparing with the person asking for an invite to a non-bugged zone instance on General? It's probably in Shift-F9 somewhere, and likely either the Server=XXXX or Instance=XXXXXXXX values, but has anyone figured out which? Do both values work or just one of them?

Or does General chat somehow fuse together in future non-Agartha zones or something and I just haven't reached there yet?
~Elysha~ (Arcadia)

Chrisax

jessicat, I was actually changing various little things in this FAQ, to make some aspects a bit clearer and also because I have myself some little doubts mainly about chat.

Nevertheless, at the moment, several chat issues (we all know at least some) make testing a bit pointless. I'd rather have the system stabilized (and maybe it will be modified somewhat) before testing and drawing conclusions...

I made clearer that "chatting to someone as if he was in your dimension" firstly and clearly applies to direct tells, and that Agartha chat is cross-dimensions because actually Agartha is cross-dimension itself.

For the rest, I share some of you interrogations and testing is hard, simply because people are not really aware of where they are and provide you sometime with wrong information when you ask them about this.

Normally, the shift-F9 command should display ALL the information Devs need (except possibly a few security-critical elements?) and so the servers/dimensions info should be somewhere inside. (?)

In Anarchy Online, I developed a world-building bugtracker and database for AO Developers (I can mention it as they mentioned it themselves on public AO forums). Devs never needed anything else than the content of the sift-F9 reply; except the info of the bug itself of course. So it should be the same in TSW... (?)

We have to figure it out though, unless were are told.
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