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Thread: Historical/fictional character- Templar, Illuminati or Dragon?

  1. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by Rigermortis View Post
    Templar = Karl Marx
    Illuminati = Friedrich Nietzsche
    Dragon = Max Sterner
    I don't think you know what you're talking about. Marx and Nietzche were deconstructionists. Why would they be affiliated with organizations seeking to preserve or enhance order?
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  2. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by SP3CTREnyc View Post
    I don't think you know what you're talking about. Marx and Nietzche were deconstructionists. Why would they be affiliated with organizations seeking to preserve or enhance order?
    Marx would totally support an organization if it was not capitalistic. Obviously the current iteration of the illuminatii would rankle, but it was pointed out earlier that our societies predate modern economics. In fact, if he bought the hype than illuminati would fit quite well with the self-empowerment angle, and just like some of the revealed NPCs, he could hate on the patrician dickholes giving orders all he wants to, as free speach is one of the perks.
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  3. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by SP3CTREnyc View Post
    I don't think you know what you're talking about. Marx and Nietzche were deconstructionists. Why would they be affiliated with organizations seeking to preserve or enhance order?
    Marx would totally support an organization if it was not capitalistic. Obviously the current iteration of the illuminatii would rankle, but it was pointed out earlier that our societies predate modern economics. In fact, if he bought the hype than illuminati would fit quite well with the self-empowerment angle, and just like some of the revealed NPCs, he could hate on the patrician dickholes giving orders all he wants to, as free speach is one of the perks.
    Hark! The herald Angels Sing, Joy to the World! The Fnord is Come!

  4. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by Liquidhind View Post
    Marx would totally support an organization if it was not capitalistic.
    <sigh> Marx wasn't anti-capitalistic... in fact, he thought it was the best thing so far. Beats the pants off of feudalism, slave states, and so on. He just thought the there was only so long workers were going to put up having the products of their work taken away by people who weren't necessarily doing any work. In that sense, I don't think he'd go for either the Templars or the Illuminati.

    He was more informed by the old Hegelian dialetic: two men meet, one ends up dominating the other, the master ends up becoming dependent on the service of the slave, and then the slave eventually throws the master off because he has no similar need of the master.

    This is CLOSER to Dragon, but Dragon does have a very mysterious secret domination thing going on too which he could easily be against. Who's going to put up with secret overlords any more than overt overlords? Still, the vaguarity might sucker him in long enough that he can't leave, as it has quite a few of Dragon's acolytes.

  5. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by Liquidhind View Post
    Marx would totally support an organization if it was not capitalistic.
    <sigh> Marx wasn't anti-capitalistic... in fact, he thought it was the best thing so far. Beats the pants off of feudalism, slave states, and so on. He just thought the there was only so long workers were going to put up having the products of their work taken away by people who weren't necessarily doing any work. In that sense, I don't think he'd go for either the Templars or the Illuminati.

    He was more informed by the old Hegelian dialetic: two men meet, one ends up dominating the other, the master ends up becoming dependent on the service of the slave, and then the slave eventually throws the master off because he has no similar need of the master.

    This is CLOSER to Dragon, but Dragon does have a very mysterious secret domination thing going on too which he could easily be against. Who's going to put up with secret overlords any more than overt overlords? Still, the vaguarity might sucker him in long enough that he can't leave, as it has quite a few of Dragon's acolytes.

  6. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by Liquidhind View Post
    Marx would totally support an organization if it was not capitalistic.
    Except that he believed religion was a human contrivance and was holding humanity back. Ergo, not Templar. Given his opposition to a ruling class, not Illuminati either.

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  7. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by Liquidhind View Post
    Marx would totally support an organization if it was not capitalistic.
    Except that he believed religion was a human contrivance and was holding humanity back. Ergo, not Templar. Given his opposition to a ruling class, not Illuminati either.

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  8. #98
    Come to think of it, I don't think Marx would've had many issues with socialism. That's an institution I think all three factions could ride on. Granted, our power would be diminished slightly, but not enough to take us out of the game by any means.
    "My mind rebels at stagnation."

  9. #99
    Come to think of it, I don't think Marx would've had many issues with socialism. That's an institution I think all three factions could ride on. Granted, our power would be diminished slightly, but not enough to take us out of the game by any means.
    "My mind rebels at stagnation."

  10. #100
    Illuminati-

    All of Egypt, Greece, and Rome until the barbarians and mongols attacked causing thousands of years of knowledge goto to dust except for member of Illuminatus.

    /further contribute to post

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