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DefaultA templar requires faith

Im curious about this concept.
since "faith" is the guide post of the Temple.... but no one god or pantheon...


can "Faith in ones self" or "Faith in science" or "faith in aliens" count?



that is to say...
are there Atheist Templar, "Fact-worshiping" Templar, Mulder Templar?
what about Mad Templar.... like "faith that within this sword, is my soul" or "Faith in Bob"???



how far does the concept of "faith" truly extend?

GhostHack

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DefaultA templar requires faith

Im curious about this concept.
since "faith" is the guide post of the Temple.... but no one god or pantheon...


can "Faith in ones self" or "Faith in science" or "faith in aliens" count?



that is to say...
are there Atheist Templar, "Fact-worshiping" Templar, Mulder Templar?
what about Mad Templar.... like "faith that within this sword, is my soul" or "Faith in Bob"???



how far does the concept of "faith" truly extend?

GhostHack

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DefaultA templar requires faith

Im curious about this concept.
since "faith" is the guide post of the Temple.... but no one god or pantheon...


can "Faith in ones self" or "Faith in science" or "faith in aliens" count?



that is to say...
are there Atheist Templar, "Fact-worshiping" Templar, Mulder Templar?
what about Mad Templar.... like "faith that within this sword, is my soul" or "Faith in Bob"???



how far does the concept of "faith" truly extend?

Fallen Seraph

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Faith can simply be faith in a cause. The Templars truly and completely believe what they are doing is right (of course making a broad statement there, there will be doubt, etc. but that be the archetypical Templar). They have faith in that what they do will bring about their goals. What separates that from other things, is with faith it is less tangible, you cannot track it or know it to be true on a material level, you simply have to believe it is true.

That is the reason faith is so tied to religion, since someone who is religious is placing their belief, trust, etc. into something intangible, something that can't be proven. It is also the big difference with science, where science is based of evidence.

As far as fact-checking Templars, Atheist-Templars and such go. Yeah they can fit, a fact-checking one could certainly check the facts know how the world works and such. But he still has faith in that they can truly make the world a righteous place, something that because it is so reliant on intangible properties can't be checked. A atheist Templar can certainly exist he simply doesn't place his faith in a god.

Now alongside the faith in a cause, a Templar could certainly have faith in that their religion will guide them toward righteousness. Hell, most/if not all religious promote the idea of goodness and righteousness. So a religious Templar most likely would follow their religions view of this. Which I think would make it really neat when visiting other countries and seeing how different religious Templars operate, ie; Catholic and Protestant in England, then Hindu in India, Shinto and Buddhist in Japan, Vodou in Haiti, etc.

Fallen Seraph

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Faith can simply be faith in a cause. The Templars truly and completely believe what they are doing is right (of course making a broad statement there, there will be doubt, etc. but that be the archetypical Templar). They have faith in that what they do will bring about their goals. What separates that from other things, is with faith it is less tangible, you cannot track it or know it to be true on a material level, you simply have to believe it is true.

That is the reason faith is so tied to religion, since someone who is religious is placing their belief, trust, etc. into something intangible, something that can't be proven. It is also the big difference with science, where science is based of evidence.

As far as fact-checking Templars, Atheist-Templars and such go. Yeah they can fit, a fact-checking one could certainly check the facts know how the world works and such. But he still has faith in that they can truly make the world a righteous place, something that because it is so reliant on intangible properties can't be checked. A atheist Templar can certainly exist he simply doesn't place his faith in a god.

Now alongside the faith in a cause, a Templar could certainly have faith in that their religion will guide them toward righteousness. Hell, most/if not all religious promote the idea of goodness and righteousness. So a religious Templar most likely would follow their religions view of this. Which I think would make it really neat when visiting other countries and seeing how different religious Templars operate, ie; Catholic and Protestant in England, then Hindu in India, Shinto and Buddhist in Japan, Vodou in Haiti, etc.

Fallen Seraph

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Faith can simply be faith in a cause. The Templars truly and completely believe what they are doing is right (of course making a broad statement there, there will be doubt, etc. but that be the archetypical Templar). They have faith in that what they do will bring about their goals. What separates that from other things, is with faith it is less tangible, you cannot track it or know it to be true on a material level, you simply have to believe it is true.

That is the reason faith is so tied to religion, since someone who is religious is placing their belief, trust, etc. into something intangible, something that can't be proven. It is also the big difference with science, where science is based of evidence.

As far as fact-checking Templars, Atheist-Templars and such go. Yeah they can fit, a fact-checking one could certainly check the facts know how the world works and such. But he still has faith in that they can truly make the world a righteous place, something that because it is so reliant on intangible properties can't be checked. A atheist Templar can certainly exist he simply doesn't place his faith in a god.

Now alongside the faith in a cause, a Templar could certainly have faith in that their religion will guide them toward righteousness. Hell, most/if not all religious promote the idea of goodness and righteousness. So a religious Templar most likely would follow their religions view of this. Which I think would make it really neat when visiting other countries and seeing how different religious Templars operate, ie; Catholic and Protestant in England, then Hindu in India, Shinto and Buddhist in Japan, Vodou in Haiti, etc.

Squiver

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I always say in response to this question:

"You don't need religion to be moral."

As Fallen Seraph said, the Templar can have faith in their methods; faith in the archetypal "good".

So, yes, there very well could be scientific, or athiest Templars, so long as they derive a sense of definite right and wrong from those concepts, and fight with tenacity to uphold them.

Squiver

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I always say in response to this question:

"You don't need religion to be moral."

As Fallen Seraph said, the Templar can have faith in their methods; faith in the archetypal "good".

So, yes, there very well could be scientific, or athiest Templars, so long as they derive a sense of definite right and wrong from those concepts, and fight with tenacity to uphold them.

Squiver

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I always say in response to this question:

"You don't need religion to be moral."

As Fallen Seraph said, the Templar can have faith in their methods; faith in the archetypal "good".

So, yes, there very well could be scientific, or athiest Templars, so long as they derive a sense of definite right and wrong from those concepts, and fight with tenacity to uphold them.

Rynech Viatl

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Originally Posted by Fallen Seraph View Post
Faith can simply be faith in a cause. The Templars truly and completely believe what they are doing is right (of course making a broad statement there, there will be doubt, etc. but that be the archetypical Templar). They have faith in that what they do will bring about their goals. What separates that from other things, is with faith it is less tangible, you cannot track it or know it to be true on a material level, you simply have to believe it is true.

That is the reason faith is so tied to religion, since someone who is religious is placing their belief, trust, etc. into something intangible, something that can't be proven. It is also the big difference with science, where science is based of evidence.

As far as fact-checking Templars, Atheist-Templars and such go. Yeah they can fit, a fact-checking one could certainly check the facts know how the world works and such. But he still has faith in that they can truly make the world a righteous place, something that because it is so reliant on intangible properties can't be checked. A atheist Templar can certainly exist he simply doesn't place his faith in a god.

Now alongside the faith in a cause, a Templar could certainly have faith in that their religion will guide them toward righteousness. Hell, most/if not all religious promote the idea of goodness and righteousness. So a religious Templar most likely would follow their religions view of this. Which I think would make it really neat when visiting other countries and seeing how different religious Templars operate, ie; Catholic and Protestant in England, then Hindu in India, Shinto and Buddhist in Japan, Vodou in Haiti, etc.
Funny that such an accurate description came from an Illuminati, but yes, I think you're hitting the nail on the head. The word faith is inexorably tied to religion, because religion requires faith, but you can have faith in your cause, in your people, in just about anything.

We're just faithful guys. Whether or not it's to a God is irrelevant.
 

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